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	<title>Comments on: How I&#039;d build Zillow Mortgage &#8211; Part 1</title>
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		<title>By: Rob Blake</title>
		<link>http://lenderama.com/2007/11/12/how-id-build-zillow-mortgage-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-657</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 04:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a great idea Todd, but like you said, they&#039;d have to convince folks their information would not be used in any other way...preserving the anonymity.

Anonymity was the key to the success of Zestimate.

I&#039;m not sure anyone given a free real credit score would ever really believe their info. would not be used down the road.

Maybe the solution is to tell folks they have built a &#039;credit score modeler&#039;...where the client answers a bunch of anonymous question about their credit histories...and the modeler &quot;estimates&quot; their score.

Bankrate offers something like that...Zillows would have to be &quot;better&quot; somehow...but then folks could play around with it at will and actually do it anonymously...

My 2 cents...

Great post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a great idea Todd, but like you said, they&#8217;d have to convince folks their information would not be used in any other way&#8230;preserving the anonymity.</p>
<p>Anonymity was the key to the success of Zestimate.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure anyone given a free real credit score would ever really believe their info. would not be used down the road.</p>
<p>Maybe the solution is to tell folks they have built a &#8216;credit score modeler&#8217;&#8230;where the client answers a bunch of anonymous question about their credit histories&#8230;and the modeler &#8220;estimates&#8221; their score.</p>
<p>Bankrate offers something like that&#8230;Zillows would have to be &#8220;better&#8221; somehow&#8230;but then folks could play around with it at will and actually do it anonymously&#8230;</p>
<p>My 2 cents&#8230;</p>
<p>Great post!</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Offerinf a free credit report is very easy. It&#039;s a nice gift to visitors and can also provide you with data about that visitor.

More transparency is more important. This enable people to go around the bait and switch. But how provide or enable more transparency? Start with user feedback; comments, ratings, etc. These are strong incentives for lenders to provide more accurate information. I think a platform such as Smart Hippo can provide more granular data points to lenders and visitors.

From my brief comparison of lenders rates on Smart Hippo and other site the same lenders on the first site provide more accurate rates than other site.

With the mountain of data Smart Hippo can have they could present the information in any way they want or the visitor would want to search and see results.

As for the issue of having people only look for rates every few years there are ways to make it relevant more often to users. Just think about it! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Offerinf a free credit report is very easy. It&#8217;s a nice gift to visitors and can also provide you with data about that visitor.</p>
<p>More transparency is more important. This enable people to go around the bait and switch. But how provide or enable more transparency? Start with user feedback; comments, ratings, etc. These are strong incentives for lenders to provide more accurate information. I think a platform such as Smart Hippo can provide more granular data points to lenders and visitors.</p>
<p>From my brief comparison of lenders rates on Smart Hippo and other site the same lenders on the first site provide more accurate rates than other site.</p>
<p>With the mountain of data Smart Hippo can have they could present the information in any way they want or the visitor would want to search and see results.</p>
<p>As for the issue of having people only look for rates every few years there are ways to make it relevant more often to users. Just think about it! <img src='http://lenderama.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Todd Carpenter</title>
		<link>http://lenderama.com/2007/11/12/how-id-build-zillow-mortgage-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-655</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, the Zcore would be a loss leader. You&#039;d know better than I would, but but I don&#039;t imgine that Zillow would need to pay more than a few dollars each for the scores. Being able to buy millions of them will  give them some pretty serious leverage.

Give away the score to get a subscriber. Not just any subsciber either. We&#039;re talking about someone ready to entrust their financial identity to you. They wouldn&#039;t give it to you if they knew you were going to sell it. they may as well shop at Lending Tree.

Each subscriber has a far higher earning potential than just selling the information as a lead.

This is explained further in Part 2 of this article. I posted it earlier this week</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, the Zcore would be a loss leader. You&#8217;d know better than I would, but but I don&#8217;t imgine that Zillow would need to pay more than a few dollars each for the scores. Being able to buy millions of them will  give them some pretty serious leverage.</p>
<p>Give away the score to get a subscriber. Not just any subsciber either. We&#8217;re talking about someone ready to entrust their financial identity to you. They wouldn&#8217;t give it to you if they knew you were going to sell it. they may as well shop at Lending Tree.</p>
<p>Each subscriber has a far higher earning potential than just selling the information as a lead.</p>
<p>This is explained further in Part 2 of this article. I posted it earlier this week</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Persinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Persinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd, why would Zillow pay for the scores, give them away to the consumer, and then not sell the information for leads?

How can they resist that healthy profit if they paid the repositories for the score?

Where is their profit coming from currently, and where is it going to come from under this Zcore model?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd, why would Zillow pay for the scores, give them away to the consumer, and then not sell the information for leads?</p>
<p>How can they resist that healthy profit if they paid the repositories for the score?</p>
<p>Where is their profit coming from currently, and where is it going to come from under this Zcore model?</p>
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		<title>By: Louise H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are all hitting on a critical area of the mortgage/real estate market that has been missing for too long...anonymity.

It should go without saying that a consumer doesn’t want his most personal financial information shared with strangers until he’s good and ready to actually move on applying for a home loan. It should also go without saying that the anonymous nature of the web is what makes it so successful. Instead of fighting this fact, we need to embrace it as Gavin suggests. Connecting consumers to existing and fast-emerging companies and technologies that will increase, not decrease anonymity.  And Zillow is a great portal through which to start doing this. The future our our business has to be more about marketing and delivering stellar customer service, not about being an information hoarder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are all hitting on a critical area of the mortgage/real estate market that has been missing for too long&#8230;anonymity.</p>
<p>It should go without saying that a consumer doesn’t want his most personal financial information shared with strangers until he’s good and ready to actually move on applying for a home loan. It should also go without saying that the anonymous nature of the web is what makes it so successful. Instead of fighting this fact, we need to embrace it as Gavin suggests. Connecting consumers to existing and fast-emerging companies and technologies that will increase, not decrease anonymity.  And Zillow is a great portal through which to start doing this. The future our our business has to be more about marketing and delivering stellar customer service, not about being an information hoarder.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Carpenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gavan, I agree. In my plan, Zillow would pay for the scores, then give them away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavan, I agree. In my plan, Zillow would pay for the scores, then give them away.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The credit score is intellectual property.  Somebody has to pay for the score, whether it’s a business or a consumer.

A snapshot blended credit score is a good idea.  If Fair Isaac was going to offer a blended credit score without the full report, they would want some sort of transaction fee.

I don’t think today’s consumer would be averse to this.  There are companies today that offer to sell a full mortgage credit report directly to the applicant without them re-selling their information for marketing purposes.   The only way for someone to be truly anonymous is to pay the fee themselves, because if someone else picks up the tab, they are going to capture their information as a lead, and sell it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The credit score is intellectual property.  Somebody has to pay for the score, whether it’s a business or a consumer.</p>
<p>A snapshot blended credit score is a good idea.  If Fair Isaac was going to offer a blended credit score without the full report, they would want some sort of transaction fee.</p>
<p>I don’t think today’s consumer would be averse to this.  There are companies today that offer to sell a full mortgage credit report directly to the applicant without them re-selling their information for marketing purposes.   The only way for someone to be truly anonymous is to pay the fee themselves, because if someone else picks up the tab, they are going to capture their information as a lead, and sell it.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd, yes I agree, the score will suffice.

And hey, where is that Zillow fellow anyway?

The Google Alert has sounded!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd, yes I agree, the score will suffice.</p>
<p>And hey, where is that Zillow fellow anyway?</p>
<p>The Google Alert has sounded!</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Carpenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul - Good point. The problem with annualcreditreport.com is that it&#039;s a big long report that&#039;s hard to read. All most potential borrowers need to get started is just the score itself.

Dan - I&#039;ll still be interested to see what Zillow comes up with. Hopefully it will brake the mold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul &#8211; Good point. The problem with annualcreditreport.com is that it&#8217;s a big long report that&#8217;s hard to read. All most potential borrowers need to get started is just the score itself.</p>
<p>Dan &#8211; I&#8217;ll still be interested to see what Zillow comes up with. Hopefully it will brake the mold.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, annualcreditreport.com is the &#039;true&#039; free credit report set up by the FACTA (report is free, not score).  Experian&#039;s been sued a couple of times for misleading consumers about freecreditreport.com

Todd, I think you&#039;re onto something with this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, annualcreditreport.com is the &#8216;true&#8217; free credit report set up by the FACTA (report is free, not score).  Experian&#8217;s been sued a couple of times for misleading consumers about freecreditreport.com</p>
<p>Todd, I think you&#8217;re onto something with this.</p>
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