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	<title>Comments on: Pull Through Rates Killed My Client&#039;s Offer</title>
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		<title>By: Dwight Brisco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwight Brisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article!  With todays economy, things have definitely tightened and it&#039;s important to educate the customer of these changes so that they understand their commitment.  I explain how many mortgage lenders are closing their doors because the submitted loans are either incomplete or inaccurate, this creates the urgency to get it right the first time!

I think the hardest part of the job is educating a customer about procrastination, for some reason there&#039;s a misconception that you don&#039;t need to be organized with your documents and there&#039;s plenty of time to retrieve the informaiton.

After reviewing &lt;a href=&quot;http://amerisave.com/partner/dbrisco&quot;&gt;mortgage rates today&lt;/a&gt;,  we discuss the industry, they understand the importance of making a decision and how being organized can greatly influence their loan process.

&quot;The rates may be lower, but the closing battle is getter harder&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article!  With todays economy, things have definitely tightened and it&#8217;s important to educate the customer of these changes so that they understand their commitment.  I explain how many mortgage lenders are closing their doors because the submitted loans are either incomplete or inaccurate, this creates the urgency to get it right the first time!</p>
<p>I think the hardest part of the job is educating a customer about procrastination, for some reason there&#8217;s a misconception that you don&#8217;t need to be organized with your documents and there&#8217;s plenty of time to retrieve the informaiton.</p>
<p>After reviewing <a href="http://amerisave.com/partner/dbrisco">mortgage rates today</a>,  we discuss the industry, they understand the importance of making a decision and how being organized can greatly influence their loan process.</p>
<p>&#8220;The rates may be lower, but the closing battle is getter harder&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Marnon, Howell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Marnon, Howell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 04:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not know this. I originally started in the mortgage industry and decided that I would prefer to do the real estate side of things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not know this. I originally started in the mortgage industry and decided that I would prefer to do the real estate side of things.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Mueller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Mueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike!
SunTrust does have some great accessibility features don&#039;t they?

Here&#039;s another one (at least for me):

SunTrust Mortgage, Inc.
1800 Sutter St Ste 650
Concord, CA 94520

Patagonia Finance
1800 Sutter St Ste 870
Concord, CA 94520

If I stomp three times would my underwriter know I received the conditional loan approval?  LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike!<br />
SunTrust does have some great accessibility features don&#8217;t they?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another one (at least for me):</p>
<p>SunTrust Mortgage, Inc.<br />
1800 Sutter St Ste 650<br />
Concord, CA 94520</p>
<p>Patagonia Finance<br />
1800 Sutter St Ste 870<br />
Concord, CA 94520</p>
<p>If I stomp three times would my underwriter know I received the conditional loan approval?  LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,
Suntrust is my favorite lender bar none, because my submissions are cared for immediately, and the underwriter allows me to call her.  My account exec is awesome, too.  I&#039;ve learned a lot from you just now; thanks for the post!
Mike in Tucson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
Suntrust is my favorite lender bar none, because my submissions are cared for immediately, and the underwriter allows me to call her.  My account exec is awesome, too.  I&#8217;ve learned a lot from you just now; thanks for the post!<br />
Mike in Tucson</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Mueller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Mueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris - in my letter I invite them to not only call me - but stop by the office.  I&#039;ve had just one person actually pop in.  That offer was accepted!

Good for you!

BTW: I&#039;ve always loved the Mini.  I may have mentioned it before.  It&#039;s been a couple of years now but I drove an S around Laguna Seca and all I could say is WOW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris &#8211; in my letter I invite them to not only call me &#8211; but stop by the office.  I&#8217;ve had just one person actually pop in.  That offer was accepted!</p>
<p>Good for you!</p>
<p>BTW: I&#8217;ve always loved the Mini.  I may have mentioned it before.  It&#8217;s been a couple of years now but I drove an S around Laguna Seca and all I could say is WOW!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Mueller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Mueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard - it is indeed an ever changing world out there.  Is it really stacked against us?  Not always.  Ebb and flow.  Go back a couple of years and it would have been tilted the other way - &quot;Those damn brokers get everything!&quot;

Rhonda - I would love to hang with the family  - that would be great dinner conversation.  There are multiple versions of &quot;fall out&quot; depending on who you talk to.  For the AE&#039;s it might be as simple as looking at a credit report and quoting a rate then not getting the submission.  Others, like SunTrust look at the locks.  What if you submit but never lock?   I remember a long time ago, I had a LO that would take an application (by hand) and then T box it to a lender right away, without ever crunching numbers!  Each submission was manually underwritten and declined.  George, what was your LTV?  &quot;I don&#039;t know the underwriter will tell me.&quot;  George, what was the back end ratio?  &quot;Won&#039;t the underwriter tell me that?&quot;  Guess how long he lasted...

I&#039;m gonna use this argument on all my submission cover letters from now on (with your permission of course), &quot;Hey, if the Rhonda Porter wants a human underwriter to review, so do I.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard &#8211; it is indeed an ever changing world out there.  Is it really stacked against us?  Not always.  Ebb and flow.  Go back a couple of years and it would have been tilted the other way &#8211; &#8220;Those damn brokers get everything!&#8221;</p>
<p>Rhonda &#8211; I would love to hang with the family  &#8211; that would be great dinner conversation.  There are multiple versions of &#8220;fall out&#8221; depending on who you talk to.  For the AE&#8217;s it might be as simple as looking at a credit report and quoting a rate then not getting the submission.  Others, like SunTrust look at the locks.  What if you submit but never lock?   I remember a long time ago, I had a LO that would take an application (by hand) and then T box it to a lender right away, without ever crunching numbers!  Each submission was manually underwritten and declined.  George, what was your LTV?  &#8220;I don&#8217;t know the underwriter will tell me.&#8221;  George, what was the back end ratio?  &#8220;Won&#8217;t the underwriter tell me that?&#8221;  Guess how long he lasted&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m gonna use this argument on all my submission cover letters from now on (with your permission of course), &#8220;Hey, if the Rhonda Porter wants a human underwriter to review, so do I.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lengquist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lengquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And those factors all caused me to give up  my own &quot;pre-approval&quot; process.  Though I was always on the conservative side, I don&#039;t think there is anything wrong with that.

As a Seller&#039;s Agent, I ALWAYS pick up the phone and call whomever is on the pre-approval letter.  You can find out a lot by knowing what questions to ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And those factors all caused me to give up  my own &#8220;pre-approval&#8221; process.  Though I was always on the conservative side, I don&#8217;t think there is anything wrong with that.</p>
<p>As a Seller&#8217;s Agent, I ALWAYS pick up the phone and call whomever is on the pre-approval letter.  You can find out a lot by knowing what questions to ask.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Mueller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Mueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony - You are always much too kind!

Diane - You&#039;ve been taking lessons from Tony?

PeterT  - It&#039;s all about the bottom line, eh?  In a perfect world every lead I talked to would end up as a loan.  Every loan I submitted would fund.  The mortgage applications are showing as being up this month but then they are also being dismissed as many borrowers are applying to multiple sources.  So even the public is killing the Pull Through Rate.  Don&#039;t they understand?   ; )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony &#8211; You are always much too kind!</p>
<p>Diane &#8211; You&#8217;ve been taking lessons from Tony?</p>
<p>PeterT  &#8211; It&#8217;s all about the bottom line, eh?  In a perfect world every lead I talked to would end up as a loan.  Every loan I submitted would fund.  The mortgage applications are showing as being up this month but then they are also being dismissed as many borrowers are applying to multiple sources.  So even the public is killing the Pull Through Rate.  Don&#8217;t they understand?   ; )</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Mueller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Mueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris -
That&#039;s always a good idea.  Brian Brady has a cute little trick he teaches his agents (I&#039;ve borrowed it for mine).

Here&#039;s where you will go wrong, computing the income when bonuses, overtime, and commission is involved.  Not because of any ineptitude on your part, it&#039;s just that your client knows they made x dollars, they are honest,  they really made it.  The problem is in how the guidelines say that the income is determined.  That&#039;s what skews the numbers.

Full Time Permanent, Part Time Temporary, Part Time Temporary, or even W-2 Commissioned?  What about child support income?  Social Security?  Pensions?

Some things might count as income and others might not.  Some for this loan , but not for the next.  Your clients might qualify for more because of factors they didn&#039;t consider as income.  In the end, it&#039;s not you, the client or the loan officer that determines what counts.  It&#039;s  the Underwriters and their interpretation of the Guidelines.

If I was a listing agent today and was presented with two identical offers - one with just an AU decision and the other with an AU and a human conditional loan approval, I&#039;d certainly push my sellers towards the stronger of the two - wouldn&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris -<br />
That&#8217;s always a good idea.  Brian Brady has a cute little trick he teaches his agents (I&#8217;ve borrowed it for mine).</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s where you will go wrong, computing the income when bonuses, overtime, and commission is involved.  Not because of any ineptitude on your part, it&#8217;s just that your client knows they made x dollars, they are honest,  they really made it.  The problem is in how the guidelines say that the income is determined.  That&#8217;s what skews the numbers.</p>
<p>Full Time Permanent, Part Time Temporary, Part Time Temporary, or even W-2 Commissioned?  What about child support income?  Social Security?  Pensions?</p>
<p>Some things might count as income and others might not.  Some for this loan , but not for the next.  Your clients might qualify for more because of factors they didn&#8217;t consider as income.  In the end, it&#8217;s not you, the client or the loan officer that determines what counts.  It&#8217;s  the Underwriters and their interpretation of the Guidelines.</p>
<p>If I was a listing agent today and was presented with two identical offers &#8211; one with just an AU decision and the other with an AU and a human conditional loan approval, I&#8217;d certainly push my sellers towards the stronger of the two &#8211; wouldn&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Porter CMPS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter CMPS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Mike.  Both of my sisters are wholesale mortgage AEs...you should hear the talk around the dinner table when we get together if one of them brings up &quot;fall out&quot; (that&#039;s what they call it).  Argh.

Like you, even if I have a nice AUS, I want the lender&#039;s human underwriter to review it upfront.  Especially in this market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Mike.  Both of my sisters are wholesale mortgage AEs&#8230;you should hear the talk around the dinner table when we get together if one of them brings up &#8220;fall out&#8221; (that&#8217;s what they call it).  Argh.</p>
<p>Like you, even if I have a nice AUS, I want the lender&#8217;s human underwriter to review it upfront.  Especially in this market.</p>
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